PS4 Official Topic

http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details

I started read and was like "ok, new name", continued "ok, some word on specs", then I got to where it says there is NO BC AT ALL to ANY Playstation, including PS3. I was like "Oh this is fucking bullshit". Then I got to where they said the console is going to NOT support used games. I was like "...I'm done with this nonsense" and I just stopped reading right there and then.

Here is a post I left on the GameGAQ's Playstation 2 forum where I found the link. Someone on the board also said the Playstation 3 forums are in full blown rage, but I haven't been there to check it out personally.

No backward compatibility, and anti used games.

This is bullcrap. Honestly, by that news alone, I'm VERY turn off PS4 (or Orbis) right now. Both Sony and Microsoft might just be out a customer, I'll have to think about this very hard.

I hate anti used games. Lets say now I buy this machine, then something happens and I fall on hard times, for a few years I have very little money for $60+ Games. What if a lot of titles I'm interested in comes out, but I don't have much money until years later when the games are off the market. Sony and Microsoft are pretty much saying "F you" with this crap where the only way I'd of been able to get the games where used.

Seriously, no BC in PS3 disappointed me. But anti used games, this could mark the end of my gaming history, I might not go any higher then PS3 if this is true.


I'm pretty sure that's it. I can handle a lack of BC but anti used games? That's it, I'm done. I'll stick with what I have and be happy with it. I always had wanted a PS3 and 360, but prices and rumors of hardware issues plus a lack of money made my delay on buying the consoles.

But if Microsoft and Sony are going anti used games, I don't care what they come out with, I'm not remotely interested as of right now.

Hopefully this turns out false, but sadly with Microsoft and Sony having these similar rumors, I don't think it is.


EDIT: Ok, so I went back to read the no used games bit. Still sounds like complete bullshit. PSN accounts now REQUIRED, used discs will be locked to what is basically a demo. For fuck sake, keep the damn online passes.

Congrats Sony and Microsoft, you just handed your customers to Nintendo. Get ready to go out of business as long as the no used games bullshit continues.

Sain wrote:

Congrats Sony and Microsoft, you just handed your customers to Nintendo. Get ready to go out of business as long as the no used games bullshit continues.

rumors = fact?

It's bullshit. We discussed this on RD and Buu made a great point.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Well i'm extremely cynical about all this. Mainly because if PS3 compatability was gone then SEN/PSN would be completely redundant as your digital games would be completely useless in the future. Considering sony expected us to rebuy games like god hand and all that stuff thats had HD collections. Expecting us to have to buy them again next gen would be beyond stupid.

The name change to SEN would suggest they wanted all of its features to be a permenant thing. If people knew that buying a PS1/2/3 title on there meant they could be playing those games at any point in there life they'd be way happier.

MulderYuffie wrote:

Sain wrote:

Congrats Sony and Microsoft, you just handed your customers to Nintendo. Get ready to go out of business as long as the no used games bullshit continues.

rumors = fact?

If the rumor IS true, then oh boy Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo will be opening up there money printing station again.

One would think after the trouble Sony had with PS3 that they'd be all about their fan base for next gen. If Sony digs themselves into another hole, I'm guessing we'll see the end of Playstation's. And it's shaping up that's exactly what Sony is gonna do.

I might even have had given up on games by then and just play older consoles if true.

Jack Tretton, the SCEA president expressed his opposition to these rumors.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117253-Pachter-Sonys-Jack-Tretton-Totally-Opposed-to-Blocking-Used-Games

Unfortunately, he's only the president of SCEA. If his Japanese authorities don't see eye-to-eye with him on this, his voice won't count for much.

Also, lol at the snide comments about Pachter.

I feel if this happens it will in no way be good for the game industry.

Firstly i don't think this is a good idea and also all those rumours are most likely BS. No offence to you guys, but anyone worrying about this hasn't got enough stuff going on in there life, because honestly price of stamps or train fares rising is a bigger issue to me then an unfounded rumour that sounds like total BS, but:

It won't effect the game industry honestly. Lets think about this. Now if you can't buy used games you've got two choices you either jump to PC and start pirating or you suck it up and tick with the consoles.

Now people who only buy new won't give a shit. They will just carryon. The game industry won't actually lose money from used sales so whats really going to happen there? Nothing. If anything there's a higher likeliness that people will actually think they can't live with consoles and jump to new game rather then used, and that will be about the same as new gamers they''d lose.

If anything post recession this will help companies who were selling badly and were a success used like platinum games. New games prices will also drop quicker as they will have to stay competitive. So all in all the only thing this will effect are shops such as gamestop, andi dunno about you but here used games are only marginally cheaper then new games and in some cases i have seen used games sold for more then new and thats in the same freaking store.

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G.A.M.E and Gamestop will go out of business if all three companies decide in favor of no used games.

Strider Zero wrote:

G.A.M.E and Gamestop will go out of business if all three companies decide in favor of no used games.

The only reason i'd be bothered about this is due to people losing jobs, the companies themselves are charlatans.

If prices went down and games sold new for longer it might not be to bad in that regard, still wouldn't favor it though.

Plus am I the only one who still lives close by to friends and borrows/lone out games to actually try a game before buying it (kinda like renting for free XD). That would suck if that was cut out. Now in the mean time I buy a lot of games blind still or based on reviews, but at least games can be resold now. If that happens and a games turns out not to be what you expected, then you are stuck with games you don't want.

In my mind it sounds good and bad. It sounds smart on the end of game dev's where used sales take a large part of the profit. However Sony and Microsoft don't have to really give a damn about dev's troubles, they want to sell consoles. And in terms of selling consoles it sounds like a decision that could make them take a hit in sales.

It's a war really. Please the game dev's that sell software for your console. Or please the common man who pays the money to buy your console. Right now it looks like you can't do both.

Post 20 its rare to be in a situation where you actually do that. Also with online play now people generally just buy the same games as there mates or they make mates who are online and play with those.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Post 20 its rare to be in a situation where you actually do that. Also with online play now people generally just buy the same games as there mates or they make mates who are online and play with those.

Yea I guess. Maybe we just carried over a few old school habits to this generation as well. I think largely cause I only have like, one game online, and he doesn't even has his console online. Can't really go by just us few though as online is a major feature for most these days.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577436261084921778.html

Phew!

Good to hear they'll keep physical discs.

justinlynch3 wrote:

Good to hear they'll keep physical discs.

i hope video games never go digital download only.

MulderYuffie wrote:

justinlynch3 wrote:

Good to hear they'll keep physical discs.

i hope video games never go digital download only.

It will someday. But according to what is sad, it would be bad business wise at this time. They said something like that internet is still to unstable on a global level.

justinlynch3 wrote:

MulderYuffie wrote:

justinlynch3 wrote:

Good to hear they'll keep physical discs.

i hope video games never go digital download only.

It will someday. But according to what is sad, it would be bad business wise at this time. They said something like that internet is still to unstable on a global level.

That's true for now. It's a lot better than it was 10 or so years ago when we had the whole dial up stuff. It's getting more and more stable though. Game industries have to really start focusing on their online netcode first. Granted it's not too bad right now, but it could be a whole lot better.

Link found from GameFAQ's forums.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2012/12/05/ps4-specs-blowout-gpgpu-directx11-sony-london-set-the-bar-industry-global-illumination-instant-radiosity-more/

So... if I understand this right (which could be a big if as I'm not all that tech smart outside the general every day stuff). But it sounds like these are pretty much super GPU's. So instead of taking so much info to process at a time, it processes everything. They say in the link that these GPGPU's takes care of the bottle neck issue caused by the current GPU/CPU combinations, so it allows free access to the systems full power.

There is also some graphical thing about splitting polygons in half that I didn't really understand. lol. I just know it makes for a smoother image and less jagged edges.

Anyway if this is all true, PS4 should be a hell of a machine. But all this talk is having me worry about price. You'd think after PS3 they'd aim for a $350-$400 launch. But this sounds like it could be another $600+ machine...

Meh, I'll wait 5 years into next gen till it's down to $250. XD. That's pretty much what I did with PS3. lol

Go figure. Sony didn't learn a damn thing with the Vita, and they aren't going to learn a thing for the PS4.

It's more likely that this is just a way for Sony to cut costs by using a single processor for everything instead of a dedicated CPU and GPU. I know it's easy to be misled by the statement that hardware like that is used in supercomputers when you don't understand the subject matter but the reality is that, when used in supercomputers, they would have literally hundreds of the things all working together at once - if used in a console there would only be one.

When it talks about being "easier to access" when compared to the PS3, using the Cell processor, it's important to understand that that isn't anything particularly special. The cell was never designed for gaming applications in the first place and was completely different to what developers were used to, this will just take things back to how they should have been in the first place.