In Cairo, they stormed the walls, and tore down the American flag, shouting "There is no god but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet".
In Libya, the consulate came under attack. US Ambassador Chris Stevens and 3 other Americans was killed as a result of the attack.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 6:29 pm
Damn...I'm almost afraid of what our government's reaction will be.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 7:10 pm
The entire thing was arranged. There's no way that the protesters should have been able to scale the walls at Cairo without being let in.
And the scenario in Libya is even more astounding. According to the reports, Chris Stevens was moved off of the grounds to a secure location when the mobs initially attacked. However, someone in Libyan security tipped of the mobs, leading to the ambassador's death.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 8:42 pm
Prince Doebler wrote:
The entire thing was arranged. There's no way that the protesters should have been able to scale the walls at Cairo without being let in.
And the scenario in Libya is even more astounding. According to the reports, Chris Stevens was moved off of the grounds to a secure location when the mobs initially attacked. However, someone in Libyan security tipped of the mobs, leading to the ambassador's death.
It does seem planned. I hope we can get through this without it escalating to going to war with them.
Also, I hate how Romney is throwing around accusations at a time like this probably to get people to vote for him. Scum.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 9:03 pm
m21out wrote:
Prince Doebler wrote:
The entire thing was arranged. There's no way that the protesters should have been able to scale the walls at Cairo without being let in.
And the scenario in Libya is even more astounding. According to the reports, Chris Stevens was moved off of the grounds to a secure location when the mobs initially attacked. However, someone in Libyan security tipped of the mobs, leading to the ambassador's death.
It does seem planned. I hope we can get through this without it escalating to going to war with them.
Also, I hate how Romney is throwing around accusations at a time like this probably to get people to vote for him. Scum.
Lol welcome to politics. People did the same thing with 9/11 saying that Bush did it. It's retarded.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 9:09 pm
Question. How is it scummy of Romney to criticize Obama and his administration's foreign policy? Especially these attacks come on the back of an apology issued to Islam in regards to a film criticizing the religion?
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 9:31 pm
Prince Doebler wrote:
Question. How is it scummy of Romney to criticize Obama and his administration's foreign policy? Especially these attacks come on the back of an apology issued to Islam in regards to a film criticizing the religion?
It's scummy because he is just using it as a political attack against the obama administration.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 10:00 pm
M, have you even heard/read any of the comments that Romney made? Here are six notable points of his comments. Spoilering them for sake of length.
Spoiler:
ROMNEY: This attack on American individuals and embassies is outrageous. It's disgusting. It breaks the hearts of all of us who think of these people who have served, during their lives, the cause of freedom and justice and honor. We mourn their loss and join together in prayer that the spirit of the Almighty might comfort the families of those who have been so brutally slain.
ROMNEY: The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached; protesters were inside the grounds. They reiterated that statement after the breach. I think it's a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values; that instead -- when our grounds are being attacked and being breached -- that the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation. An apology for America's values is never the right course.
ROMNEY: The White House also issued a statement saying it tried to distance itself from those comments and said they were not reflecting of their views. I had the exact same reaction. These views were inappropriate. They were the wrong course to take. It's their administration. Their administration spoke. The president takes responsibility not just for the words that come from his mouth, but also for the words that come from his ambassadors, from his administration, from his embassies, from his State Department. The statement that came from the administration was a statement which is akin to apology, and I think was a severe miscalculation.
ROMNEY: The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached. Protesters were inside the grounds. They reiterated that statement after the breach. I think it's a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values. That instead, when our grounds are being attacked and being breached, that the first response in the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation, and apology for America's values is never the right course.
ROMNEY: We have a campaign for the presidency of the United States and they're speaking about the different courses we would each take with regards to the challenges that the world faces. The president and I, for instance, have differences of opinion with regards to Israel and our policies there. With regards to Iran, with regards to Afghanistan, with regards to Syria. We have many places of distinction and differences. It's also important for me -- just as it was for the White House last night, by the way -- to say that the statements were inappropriate and, in my view, a disgraceful statement on the part of our administration to apologize for American values.
ROMNEY: My foreign policy has three fundamental branches. First, confidence in our cause; a recognition that the principles America was based upon are not something we shrink from or apologize for. The second is clarity in our purpose. Which is that when we have a foreign policy objective, we describe it honestly and clearly to the American people, the Congress, and to the people of the world. And number three, is resolve in our might that in those rare circumstances where we decide it's essential for us to apply military might, that we do so with overwhelming force, that we do so in the clarity of a mission, understanding the nature of the US interests involved, understanding when the mission would be complete.
Here's the full "speech".
He was condemning the reaction of the US Embassies to apologize for the US citizens who acted on their right of free speech on their grounds. He saw a huge mistake being made in the administration's actions and called them out on it.
Again, what is scummy about that? It's not an attack. He's criticizing them for valid reasons.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 10:01 pm
Prince Doebler wrote:
Question. How is it scummy of Romney to criticize Obama and his administration's foreign policy? Especially these attacks come on the back of an apology issued to Islam in regards to a film criticizing the religion?
It's scummy because foreigners, AKA the people foreign policy is directed to, are pretty okay with what Obama is doing on that front when they are absolutely dreading a halfwit like Romney coming to power.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 10:02 pm
Kaio wrote:
It's scummy because foreigners, AKA the people foreign policy is directed to, are pretty okay with what Obama is doing on that front when they are absolutely dreading a halfwit like Romney coming to power.
Of course they're okay with it. Obama's policies are giving these people a free pass to commit heinous acts like these.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 10:06 pm
lol I'm just going to say I hate politics. Never believe in people you don't know well (especially when you dont believe the people close to you like me).
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 10:16 pm
Yeah, I can't buy into those conspiracies. It's never confirmed or disconfirmed and you can never be sure. Although I think the 9/11 conspiracy theory was total bullshit.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 10:48 pm
Prince Doebler wrote:
M, have you even heard/read any of the comments that Romney made? Here are six notable points of his comments. Spoilering them for sake of length.
Spoiler:
ROMNEY: This attack on American individuals and embassies is outrageous. It's disgusting. It breaks the hearts of all of us who think of these people who have served, during their lives, the cause of freedom and justice and honor. We mourn their loss and join together in prayer that the spirit of the Almighty might comfort the families of those who have been so brutally slain.
ROMNEY: The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached; protesters were inside the grounds. They reiterated that statement after the breach. I think it's a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values; that instead -- when our grounds are being attacked and being breached -- that the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation. An apology for America's values is never the right course.
ROMNEY: The White House also issued a statement saying it tried to distance itself from those comments and said they were not reflecting of their views. I had the exact same reaction. These views were inappropriate. They were the wrong course to take. It's their administration. Their administration spoke. The president takes responsibility not just for the words that come from his mouth, but also for the words that come from his ambassadors, from his administration, from his embassies, from his State Department. The statement that came from the administration was a statement which is akin to apology, and I think was a severe miscalculation.
ROMNEY: The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached. Protesters were inside the grounds. They reiterated that statement after the breach. I think it's a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values. That instead, when our grounds are being attacked and being breached, that the first response in the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation, and apology for America's values is never the right course.
ROMNEY: We have a campaign for the presidency of the United States and they're speaking about the different courses we would each take with regards to the challenges that the world faces. The president and I, for instance, have differences of opinion with regards to Israel and our policies there. With regards to Iran, with regards to Afghanistan, with regards to Syria. We have many places of distinction and differences. It's also important for me -- just as it was for the White House last night, by the way -- to say that the statements were inappropriate and, in my view, a disgraceful statement on the part of our administration to apologize for American values.
ROMNEY: My foreign policy has three fundamental branches. First, confidence in our cause; a recognition that the principles America was based upon are not something we shrink from or apologize for. The second is clarity in our purpose. Which is that when we have a foreign policy objective, we describe it honestly and clearly to the American people, the Congress, and to the people of the world. And number three, is resolve in our might that in those rare circumstances where we decide it's essential for us to apply military might, that we do so with overwhelming force, that we do so in the clarity of a mission, understanding the nature of the US interests involved, understanding when the mission would be complete.
Here's the full "speech".
He was condemning the reaction of the US Embassies to apologize for the US citizens who acted on their right of free speech on their grounds. He saw a huge mistake being made in the administration's actions and called them out on it.
Again, what is scummy about that? It's not an attack. He's criticizing them for valid reasons.
I'm going to be honest. I haven't watched the video but I have read most of the statements you posted from other sites after searching more into the situation. What was so wrong about apologizing on behave of the country for an offensive video? The video was made to be offensive to them and the prophet they believed in, why should that be taken as proper free speech? It was nothing but hate. And Romney choosing to do what he did during an unfolding situation was clearly an attack. Scummy if you ask me.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 11:00 pm
I'm going to vote for Bill Burr for President.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 12th 2012, 11:11 pm
It was proper free speech, said on our own grounds against our adversaries overseas. Why should we be apologetic for it? Especially since it's just one individual. Why should the GOVERNMENT apologize for ONE PERSON?
This "apology" by the embassies was issued before the assaults occurred. So, how the hell did the mobs find out about the video, I wonder?
Furthermore, one of our own releases a controversial video. In response to the embassies' apologies, they kill 4 diplomats.
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT?
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 13th 2012, 12:07 am
And what does Romney think he is going to do, save the one individual who is aready dead? Obama has been trying to stop the wars/fights overseas since he's been in office. Plus if the appology was already made and this happens, why say send in full force, which would cause for more soldiers to die for nothing really, instead of trying to come up with a different way to deal withi it?
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 13th 2012, 12:09 am
Strider Zero wrote:
I'm going to vote for Bill Burr for President.
I'm right there with ya bro, With all this stuff going on, I keep getting stuck in between on who to vote for.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 13th 2012, 12:43 am
CoachMario wrote:
And what does Romney think he is going to do, save the one individual who is aready dead? Obama has been trying to stop the wars/fights overseas since he's been in office. Plus if the appology was already made and this happens, why say send in full force, which would cause for more soldiers to die for nothing really, instead of trying to come up with a different way to deal withi it?
What you're missing is that the attack was assisted by Egypt and Libya. As I've said, there's no way that people should have been able to scale those walls in Cairo without someone looking the other way. And the mobs in Libya were notified of Stevens' location by Libyan security personnel.
Obama's reaction to these events have been nothing but an insult to the memories of the diplomats and a kick in the teeth to American values.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 13th 2012, 5:45 am
Goddamn Obama, killing his own people, what a jerk.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 13th 2012, 6:52 am
Ah I see what you're saying now. Thanks for clarrifying it for me.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 15th 2012, 3:55 am
Prince Doebler wrote:
It was proper free speech, said on our own grounds against our adversaries overseas. Why should we be apologetic for it? Especially since it's just one individual. Why should the GOVERNMENT apologize for ONE PERSON?
This "apology" by the embassies was issued before the assaults occurred. So, how the hell did the mobs find out about the video, I wonder?
Furthermore, one of our own releases a controversial video. In response to the embassies' apologies, they kill 4 diplomats.
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT?
The mobs found out because their own media released the trailer on t.v. around the time it became a hit on youtube by some bigots. He apologized because he was afraid something like this would happen ,would you have liked him to say, this is freaking america we can do whatever we want, although they did act out of hand after the aplogy was released (doubt most of them even heard it), and Romney was saying obama did it after the attack. Did you want Obama to have them shoot at them at the moment they were not doing anything in cairo in Libya it just got out of hand
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 15th 2012, 9:13 am
First of all, after the mobs started rioting, the administration did put out a statement that was an apology to the rioters, making it the second apology they had issued. Romney responded directly to the second apology.
Second of all, in Libya, it just got out of hand? They were shooting rockets and mortars at the embassy. That was a deadly assault to begin with, not a riot gone bad.
Finally, I'd rather the administration have not had said anything, period. To have a government apologize for the sake of one individual because he exercised their first amendment rights is nothing short of shameful.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 17th 2012, 10:08 am
All your comments seem to be following the logic of if you piss someone off fight them. That will inevitably cost the lives of soldiers, who apparently you don't seem to regard as a valuable life.
Sure soldiers put their lives on the line for defending their country. But putting your life on the line because you are defending racists is hardly defence of your country. The way you interpret your freedom of speech sounds like you can say anything and be as racist as you like because you'll hide behind your soldiers and they'll be taking bullets for you. Your anti muslim agenda is apparently only second to your antimexican one.
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 17th 2012, 10:54 am
When were the troops directly involved in this assassination and the riots that occurred in the Middle East? Last I checked, none of our soldiers were involved in direct conflict.
As a matter of fact, multiple embassies have been getting stormed by these Islamists, tearing down our flags, burning them, and chanting "We are Osama" or "Death to America".
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Subject: Re: American Embassies in Cairo and Libya stormed. Chris Stevens and 3 others killed September 17th 2012, 11:32 am
You seem to have a real lack of understanding of how the world works.
I'll put it simply for you. If the USA didn't issue apologies, you wouldn't be worrying just about extremists, you'd have mass world hate from every muslim in the world. This would lead to conflict on a large scale and would involve US soldiers.
As a man of religion yourself, how would you react if you thought fellow christians were being persecuted and Jesus made a mockery of and that a countries government was not stopping this kind of persecution and hatred towards your saviour?
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